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Posted - 09 Oct 2017 :  17:00:42  Show Profile Send Floyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
After the surprise incursion by Syria into Lebanon that occurred during our Familiarization flight we have quickly turned our aircraft around and are ready to take the fight to the Syrians.

Campaign Overview and ROEs

Several missions from the 113rd Attack Squadron, flying the AH-64D, had to be aborted due to the massive air defense assets close to the city Sur (BE 297,31). The 107th squadron, stationed at Hatzerim, is ordered to attack multiple SA-8.

The first picture shows the general situation and the flight paths.

The second picture shows the tactical situation and HQ battalions with several SA-8 units. The plan is to make good use of the standoff capability of the Delilah missile by firing en route to waypoint 3, activate the auto pilot in AUTO waypoint mode and fly via waypoint 4 and 5 to guide the missile. Return to waypoint 3 to position for the second missile shot.

Package 7726

Python4 and Snake4 are 4-ship AI flights.
Mission success is given for one SA-8 destroyed per human pilot in total (6 human pilots == 6 SA-8 to be destroyed by both flights),
PS is given for one SA-8 destroyed per 2 human pilots.

Stud4 is a 4-ship TARCAP flight.
Mission success is given for no losses to Python and Snake by A2A,
PS is given for 50% loss max.

All flights are from the 107th squadron, taking off from Hatzerim.

IDM will be from Stud4.
Python41 is package commander.


Flight		Task	        TO           PP            TOT         IDM	VHF	TACAN	FL

Python4		AI		07:32	07:45	07:56	 1	 1	11/74	200
Snake4		AI		07:34	07:47	07:58	 2	 2	16/79	210
Stud4		TARCAP	07:30	07:43	07:55	 3	 3	21/84	250

Flight paths and weapons are free (ROE prohibit the use of JSOWs, SDBs and Spice1000/P weapons in the campaign).

The weather is poor at home plate and fair at the target with a cloud base at 30k MSL.

Good Hunting



Flight Leads in this Sunday's official campaign mission, "ITO 2017 Mission 2" are requested to post a debrief of their flights actions, including any lessons learned or that should be learned by others.

Please put the following information at the top of your post:

Flight Role: (SEAD, ESCORT, STRIKE, Etc..)
Callsign11: "Pilot's name" AA=X AG=X RTB,MIA/KIA,EJT
Callsign12: "Pilot's name" AA=X AG=X RTB,MIA/KIA,EJT
Callsign13: "Pilot's name" AA=X AG=X RTB,MIA/KIA,EJT
Callsign14: "Pilot's name" AA=X AG=X RTB,MIA/KIA,EJT



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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 :  22:16:56  Show Profile Send Homer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Flight Role: DEAD
Python41: "Homer" AA=0 AG=15 RTB
Python42: "Vosene" AA=0 AG=5 EJT
Python43: "Floyd" AA=0 AG=4 RTB
Python44: "Griffin" AA=0 AG=4 RTB


Extremely busy, moving targets, and the met guys got it wrong too. Apart from that, we did as best as we could to find the SA8 and other SAM threats in the area, and managed to destroy a total of 14 SA-8, 6 SA-13, and a slew of other targets too.

Deconfliction and COMM between the 2 human flights was very good (IMO). Air picture was impossibly busy, but most picture calls were to the north of the bullseye so for the most part we were unhindered in this regard.

Good first campaign mission.
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Posted - 15 Oct 2017 :  22:25:05  Show Profile  Visit utopic's Homepage  Send utopic an ICQ Message Send utopic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Flight Role: AI
Pyton41: "Utopic" AA=0 AG=0 RTB
Pyton42: "Zipgun" AA=0 AG=1 RTB
Pyton43: "Fisty" AA=0 AG=0 RTB
Pyton44: "Echion" AA=0 AG=0 RTB

MS (Based on total number of SA-8 destroyed by package).

Very poor results on our engagement using Delilahs for moving targets.

Good points:
- comms
- deconfliction
- good setup for engaging with Delilahs
- good flying from the element, considering the challenges

Not so good points:
- using Delilahs for moving targets
- finding moving SA8s from afar is impossible
- formation broke down after the first pass
- landing could have been better

As a conclusion, I think we need to discover better tactics for doing AI missions in Israel
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Posted - 18 Oct 2017 :  16:24:41  Show Profile Send Floyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mission/campaign files:
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Posted - 19 Oct 2017 :  01:34:04  Show Profile Send Vosene a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ACMI - http://www.185th.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8277

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