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Vosene



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Posted - 21 Feb 2010 :  21:39:30  Show Profile Send Vosene a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Members who flew as a Flight Lead in the Sunday mission, Operation Caterpillar, are requested to post a debrief by Tuesday evening.

Griffin



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Posted - 21 Feb 2010 :  21:52:17  Show Profile Send Griffin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Black Flight
Cowboy 1 - PPCAS
1 - Griffin
2 - Floyd
3 - Novac

Weapons:
AA - Fixed - 2 x AIM-120B, 1 x AIM-120-C4, 1 x AIM 9M
AG - 4 x AGM 65D, 2 x AGM 65G

Set up weapons and steerpoint for the bridge while on the taxiway. Took off and climbed to A29, keeping 10 miles from element of SEAD Escort. They took care of air and known ground threats as well as killing the bridge, leaving us to kill any ground movers we could find.

We found and destroyed ZILs, BMP2s and T-90s. 8 T-90s were destroyed by human and one by the AI. With that done and the bridge destroyed we went to regroup. Unfortunately we did not get the SA 10 threat circle on our HSDs and Floyd was shot down by one.

We headed west, engaged two flights of two Mig 21F and destroyed them before returning to the alternate.

Mission Success!!


Mission name: Operation Caterpillar

Mission Type: Pre-plan CAS
Flight Callsign: Cowboy1
4 Ship Flight
Ac type: F-16C-50
Country: Slovenian

FLIGHT EVENTS
Event Novac joined as Cowboy13 at 16:38:08
Event Floyd joined as Cowboy12 at 16:38:10
Event Griffin joined as Cowboy11 at 16:38:11
Event Yugoslavian BMP-3 destroyed by Griffin at 17:07:02
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Griffin at 17:07:08
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Griffin at 17:07:10
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Floyd at 17:07:48
Event Yugoslavian BMP-3 destroyed by Floyd at 17:11:52
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Floyd at 17:11:56
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Floyd at 17:11:58
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Novac at 17:12:49
Event Yugoslavian BMP-3 destroyed by Novac at 17:12:57
Event Yugoslavian ZIL-135 destroyed by Griffin at 17:12:58
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Novac at 17:12:59
Event Yugoslavian ZIL-135 destroyed by Griffin at 17:13:00
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Novac at 17:13:02
Event Yugoslavian BMP-3 destroyed by Griffin at 17:13:02
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Cowboy14 at 17:15:22
Event SA10 launched at Floyd 17:20:23
Event Floyd ejected at 17:21:19
Event Floyd exited from Cowboy12 at 17:23:16
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Griffin at 17:27:09
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Novac at 17:27:30
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Griffin at 17:28:18
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Griffin at 17:29:08
Event Griffin landed at 17:38:13
Event Novac landed at 17:38:47
Event Griffin exited from Cowboy11 at 17:43:46

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Dmans1



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Posted - 22 Feb 2010 :  08:43:01  Show Profile Send Dmans1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Blue Flight- SEAD Escort (Falcon1)
1.Dmans1
2.Fiero
3.Ballistic
4.AI

Mission Planning: Get in front of the Strike flight(A30 2nd element trail 15Nm), clear the way in terms of AA and SAM threats,TARCAP the target area,while being the backup flight in the tank hunting.
Loadout:
Falcon1-1,Falcon1-4
2xSlammers
2xAGM 88C
2*AGM 65G
1*Jammer Pod

Falcon1-2,Falcon1-3
2xSlammers
2xAGM 88C
2*AGM 65G
1*Fuel Tank

Execution-shots made:
1st encounter was with a 2ship Mig29A along with a low level Su25 flying around the engagement area.Su25 was dropped and Mig29A engaged. 2 went immediately defensive, due to the lack of the jammer pod, 1 maintained shot denial, both Migs downed in a single Sweep.
2nd encounter was with a 2ship Mig29A further southwest closer to the target area.Successfully and uneventfully downed by 3 and 4.
After that we focused on clearing the area from SAM threats.2 was given the order to go for the SA5, 1 moved over the target area for the short range SAMS. SA2 and SA6 popped up and fired while being directly over them, 3 responded very quickly, took them down. SA5 was downed in the meantime, 1 focuses on the SA17 popping up SouthEast of the Target Area.
3rd encounter: 2 ship Mig21 south of the target area. I made a huge mistake, being absorbed in taking down the SA17 and completely missed a the 2ship flight, that managed to squeeze between the 2 elements.Ballistic responded swiftly and downed them without any mishaps.
After that, we established a TARCAP over the area, while sending $4 to take down an SA10 that popped up, but that was not a real factor since the tresspass was around 5 miles east from the tank batallion.

Going low on fuel i gave the order to go low and make use of the Maverics. 2 and 3 made a good use, 1 didn't get a positive id on the tanks in 2 passes and gave up due to the low fuel stat, and the fact that bogeys were reported on our way home.

Egress was made with the Strike flight leading and 2 acting as the Falcon flight leader-shooter. There was a time of confusion with #2 being awfully close (reported furrball) to the MiG flights while Cowboy was shooting at them with no mishaps whatsoever.

Lesson Learned:
Flight lead is responsible for the flight safety. I didn't delegate the resposiblity to the trail element for keeping up with the A/A picture while i was heads down, that resulted in a enemy flight being squeezed right inbetween us. This time we were lucky, we won't be probably next time.

Respect the flight lead calls.I don't want to offend Fiero with this one but i think it was a mistake not to disengage, even being at 10 nm against Mig21's and furballing with them. I gave that order since Cowboy flight already had slammers inbound on the Migs.Dogfighting with them, with slammers on the way is a big no no situation.

To sum it up: Mission success on a very well made TE.


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RECORD BEGIN TIMESTAMP 2/22/2010 00:01:40.
Game is Tactical Engagement type Networked
Mission name: Operation Caterpillar

Mission Type: SEAD Escort 
Flight Callsign: Falcon1
4 Ship Flight
Ac type: F-16C-50 
Country: Slovenian 

FLIGHT EVENTS
Event Dmans1 joined as Falcon11 at 16:36:16 
Event Ballistic joined as Falcon13 at 16:36:24 
Event Fiero185th joined as Falcon12 at 16:36:24 
Event Dmans1 violated ATC protocol at 16:38:29 
Event Dmans1 violated ATC protocol at 16:38:36 
Event Fiero185th violated ATC protocol at 16:38:54 
Event Fiero185th violated ATC protocol at 16:39:09 
Event Fiero185th violated ATC protocol at 16:39:11 
Event Ballistic violated ATC protocol at 16:39:32 
Event Ballistic violated ATC protocol at 16:39:47 
Event Ballistic violated ATC protocol at 16:39:59 
Event R-27R launched at Fiero185th 16:50:01 
Event Yugoslavian MiG-29A downed by Dmans1 at 16:51:09 
Event Yugoslavian MiG-29A downed by Dmans1 at 16:51:44 
Event Yugoslavian MiG-29A downed by Ballistic at 16:55:31 
Event Yugoslavian MiG-29A downed by Falcon14 at 16:55:49 
Event SA5 launched at Dmans1 16:59:57 
Event Yugoslavian Fan Song B destroyed by Ballistic at 17:02:02 
Event SA6 launched at Dmans1 17:02:14 
Event SA6 launched at Dmans1 17:02:19 
Event Yugoslavian StraightFlush destroyed by Ballistic at 17:03:10 
Event SA17 launched at Dmans1 17:07:35 
Event SA5 launched at Fiero185th 17:08:04 
Event Yugoslavian Barlock-B destroyed by Fiero185th at 17:09:10 
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Ballistic at 17:15:48 
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Ballistic at 17:15:57 
Event Yugoslavian Flap Lid destroyed by Falcon14 at 17:18:34 
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Ballistic at 17:23:41 
Event Yugoslavian BMP-3 destroyed by Ballistic at 17:23:42 
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Fiero185th at 17:31:50 
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Fiero185th at 17:32:03 
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Fiero185th at 17:38:32 
Event Fiero185th landed at 17:49:31 
Event Fiero185th landed at 17:49:34 
Event Dmans1 landed at 17:51:19 
Event Dmans1 landed at 17:51:19 
Event Dmans1 landed at 17:51:22 
Event Falcon14 landed at 17:52:32 
Event Ballistic landed at 17:58:26 
Event Ballistic violated ATC protocol at 17:58:26 
Event Ballistic violated ATC protocol at 17:58:27 
Event Ballistic landed at 17:58:28 
Event Ballistic violated ATC protocol at 17:58:29 
Event Fiero185th exited from Falcon12 at 18:00:26 
Event Ballistic exited from Falcon13 at 18:00:29 
Event Dmans1 exited from Falcon11 at 18:01:00 

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PILOT SLOT 1:

Human Player: Capt. Dmans1 
Callsign: Dmans1 
Pilot status  - OK 
Aircraft status  - OK 
AA Kills 2 
AG Kills 0 
AS Kills 0 
AN Kills 0 
Shoot At 4 
Other Player Kills 0 

WEAPON DATA 

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61 
Starting Load 510 
Fired 1 
Missed 1 
Hit 0 
Event 20mm M61 fired at 17:06:18   miss 

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120C-4 
Starting Load 4 
Fired 2 
Missed 0 
Hit 2 
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 16:50:10   hit MiG-29A - destroyed 
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 16:50:48   hit MiG-29A - destroyed 

LOADOUT 2: AGM-88C 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 2 
Hit 0 
Event AGM-88C released at 17:05:13   miss 
Event AGM-88C released at 17:07:31   miss 

LOADOUT 3: AGM-65G 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

LOADOUT 4: ALQ-131 
Starting Load 1 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

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PILOT SLOT 2:

Human Player: Capt. Fiero  
Callsign: Fiero185th 
Pilot status  - OK 
Aircraft status  - OK 
AA Kills 1 
AG Kills 3 
AS Kills 0 
AN Kills 0 
Shoot At 2 
Other Player Kills 0 

WEAPON DATA 

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61 
Starting Load 510 
Fired 1 
Missed 1 
Hit 0 
Event 20mm M61 fired at 17:40:07   miss 

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 1 
Hit 1 
Event AIM-120B released at 17:37:42   hit MiG-21F - destroyed 
Event AIM-120B released at 17:39:11   miss 

LOADOUT 2: AIM-120C-4 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

LOADOUT 3: AGM-88C 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 1 
Missed 0 
Hit 1 
Event AGM-88C released at 17:08:42   hit Barlock-B - destroyed 

LOADOUT 4: AGM-65G 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 0 
Hit 2 
Event AGM-65G released at 17:31:34   hit T-90 - destroyed 
Event AGM-65G released at 17:31:48   hit T-90 - destroyed 

LOADOUT 5: 300 Gal Tank 
Starting Load 1 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

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PILOT SLOT 3:

Human Player: 2Lt. Ballistic 
Callsign: Ballistic 
Pilot status  - OK 
Aircraft status  - OK 
AA Kills 3 
AG Kills 4 
AS Kills 0 
AN Kills 0 
Shoot At 0 
Other Player Kills 0 

WEAPON DATA 

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61 
Starting Load 510 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 1 
Hit 1 
Event AIM-120B released at 16:54:21   miss 
Event AIM-120B released at 16:54:26   hit MiG-29A - destroyed 

LOADOUT 2: AIM-120C-4 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 0 
Hit 2 
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 17:15:14   hit MiG-21F - destroyed 
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 17:15:23   hit MiG-21F - destroyed 

LOADOUT 3: AGM-88C 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 0 
Hit 2 
Event AGM-88C released at 17:00:24   hit Fan Song B - destroyed 
Event AGM-88C released at 17:02:17   hit StraightFlush - destroyed 

LOADOUT 4: AGM-65G 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 0 
Hit 2 
Event AGM-65G released at 17:23:10   hit BMP-3 - destroyed 
Event AGM-65G released at 17:23:26   hit T-90 - destroyed 

LOADOUT 5: 300 Gal Tank 
Starting Load 1 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

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PILOT SLOT 4:

AI Player: Lt. Schuette 
Callsign: Falcon14 
Pilot status  - OK 
Aircraft status  - OK 
AA Kills 1 
AG Kills 1 
AS Kills 0 
AN Kills 0 
Shoot At 0 
Other Player Kills 0 

WEAPON DATA 

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61 
Starting Load 510 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 1 
Missed 0 
Hit 1 
Event AIM-120B released at 16:55:01   hit MiG-29A - destroyed 

LOADOUT 2: AIM-120C-4 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

LOADOUT 3: AGM-88C 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 2 
Missed 1 
Hit 1 
Event AGM-88C released at 17:16:46   hit Flap Lid - destroyed 
Event AGM-88C released at 17:17:09   miss 

LOADOUT 4: AGM-65G 
Starting Load 2 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 

LOADOUT 5: ALQ-131 
Starting Load 1 
Fired 0 
Missed 0 
Hit 0 



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Crowebar

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Posted - 22 Feb 2010 :  13:18:18  Show Profile Send Crowebar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Blue Flight - Pre-Plan CAS (Cowboy)

1. Crowebar
2. AI
3. Medic
4. Spear (then AI due to technical)

Weapons
AA - Fixed - 2 x AIM-120B, 1 x AIM-120-C4, 1 x AIM 9M
AG - 1: 2 X AGM65D, 1 X AGM65G, 1 X HARM
2: 2 X AGM65D, 2 X AGM65G
3 & 4: 4 X AGM65D, 3 X Mk-82, 5 X Mk-20D

Plan was to fly Angels 28, 30 / 40 miles trail of Falcon flight. 1st element to press towards tank battalion while 2nd element bombed bridge then continued to tank battalion. We set a new steerpoint over bridge to assist navigation. Lead took a HARM to improve ground threat picture.

Spear had technicals on entering cockpit. He tried rejoining a couple of times, then quit. This was made harder because he had no mic, could only hear. So AI flew 4 position.

We setup coords for bridge and took off in trail of Falcon as planned. While all the action was going on ahead as Falcon flight took on the Air to Air threats, it was generally quite 40 miles behind. As we entered bandit country 1 got a lot of missile launch warnings, but none on RWR, and no missiles seen. 3 had no missile launch warnings. 1 did get an SA5 launched at him as we turned south towards the bridge, but managed to defeat it ok. 3 was no 'in HOT' over bridge. 2 bomb runs only managed to damaged the bridge. 1 was lined up in trail having defeated SA5 so 3 proceeded to tank battalion while 1 attacked bridge with a single AGM65G. this finally destroyed the already damaged Bridge.

1 joined 3, who was by now attacking tanks with bombs and mavericks. The no 2 AI to my suprise, actually attacked everything I told him to, throughout the mission. Good old boy bagged himself a few tanks and a mig! AI no 4 however did nothing but follow us around.

Once 1, 2 were Cold off target falcon flight were cleared in with maverick, with a warning that 3 & 4 were still in target vicinity. However as they were low on fuel they needed to get in sooner rather than later.

Turning for home Cowboy took lead as Falcon were short on missiles. We soon came across 2 groups of 2 Mig-21. Lead element engaged 1st group, AI took out designated target (blimey only asked him once as well!) 1 took out 2nd mig. 2nd element engaged 2nd group again killing both migs, and in doing so assisting Falcon 1-2 who had become engaged in a furball with a mig-21.

No further events on the way home, with all aircraft returning safely.

A nice TE thanks Ballistic.

FLIGHT EVENTS
Event Crowebar joined as Cowboy11 at 16:38:13
Event Spear joined as Cowboy14 at 16:38:18
Event Medic joined as Cowboy13 at 16:38:18
Event Spear exited from Cowboy14 at 16:41:52
Event Crowebar violated ATC protocol at 16:43:34
Event Medic violated ATC protocol at 16:43:46
Event Crowebar violated ATC protocol at 16:43:48
Event Medic violated ATC protocol at 16:44:03
Event Crowebar violated ATC protocol at 16:44:03
Event Medic violated ATC protocol at 16:44:12
Event Crowebar violated ATC protocol at 16:44:13
Event SA5 launched at Crowebar 17:06:16
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Cowboy12 at 17:14:04
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Cowboy12 at 17:14:47
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Cowboy12 at 17:14:47
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Cowboy12 at 17:14:52
Event Yugoslavian Bridge destroyed by Crowebar at 17:15:02
Event Cowboy14 ejected at 17:15:07
Event Yugoslavian 2S19 destroyed by Medic at 17:33:01
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Medic at 17:33:04
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Medic at 17:33:05
Event Yugoslavian T-90 destroyed by Medic at 17:33:06
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Cowboy12 at 17:38:20
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Crowebar at 17:39:35
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by Medic at 17:40:16
Event Cowboy12 landed at 17:50:04
Event Medic landed at 17:55:16
Event Medic violated ATC protocol at 17:55:16
Event Crowebar landed at 17:55:46
Event Medic exited from Cowboy13 at 18:00:35
Event Crowebar exited from Cowboy11 at 18:00:49

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PILOT SLOT 1:

Human Player: 2Lt. Crowebar
Callsign: Crowebar
Pilot status - OK
Aircraft status - OK
AA Kills 1
AG Kills 0
AS Kills 1
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 1
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120C-4
Starting Load 4
Fired 1
Missed 0
Hit 1
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 17:38:49 hit MiG-21F - destroyed

LOADOUT 2: AGM-88C
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 3: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 4: AGM-65G
Starting Load 1
Fired 1
Missed 0
Hit 1
Event AGM-65G released at 17:14:17 hit Bridge - destroyed

LOADOUT 5: AGM-65D
Starting Load 2
Fired 2
Missed 2
Hit 0
Event AGM-65D released at 17:17:50 miss
Event AGM-65D released at 17:18:07 miss

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PILOT SLOT 2:

AI Player: Lt. Grilliot
Callsign: Cowboy12
Pilot status - OK
Aircraft status - OK
AA Kills 1
AG Kills 4
AS Kills 0
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 0
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120C-4
Starting Load 4
Fired 1
Missed 0
Hit 1
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 17:37:16 hit MiG-21F - destroyed

LOADOUT 2: AGM-65D
Starting Load 4
Fired 4
Missed 1
Hit 3
Event AGM-65D released at 17:13:43 hit T-90 - destroyed
Event AGM-65D released at 17:13:44 miss
Event AGM-65D released at 17:14:20 hit T-90 - destroyed
Event AGM-65D released at 17:14:25 hit T-90 - destroyed

LOADOUT 3: AGM-65G
Starting Load 2
Fired 2
Missed 1
Hit 1
Event AGM-65G released at 17:14:30 hit T-90 - destroyed
Event AGM-65G released at 17:14:35 miss

LOADOUT 4: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

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PILOT SLOT 3:

Human Player: Lt. Medic
Callsign: Medic
Pilot status - OK
Aircraft status - OK
AA Kills 1
AG Kills 4
AS Kills 0
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 0
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B
Starting Load 4
Fired 2
Missed 0
Hit 2
Event AIM-120B released at 17:39:24 hit MiG-21F - destroyed
Event AIM-120B released at 17:39:46 hit MiG-21F - damaged

LOADOUT 2: AGM-65D
Starting Load 4
Fired 4
Missed 0
Hit 4
Event AGM-65D released at 17:32:40 hit 2S19 - destroyed
Event AGM-65D released at 17:32:43 hit T-90 - destroyed
Event AGM-65D released at 17:32:46 hit T-90 - destroyed
Event AGM-65D released at 17:32:49 hit T-90 - destroyed

LOADOUT 3: Mk-82
Starting Load 3
Fired 3
Missed 2
Hit 1
Event Mk-82 released at 17:08:25 hit Bridge - damaged
Event Mk-82 released at 17:12:00 miss
Event Mk-82 released at 17:16:29 miss

LOADOUT 4: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 5: Mk-20D
Starting Load 3
Fired 3
Missed 2
Hit 1
Event Mk-20D released at 17:19:58 hit T-90 - damaged
Event Mk-20D released at 17:24:55 miss
Event Mk-20D released at 17:27:16 miss

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PILOT SLOT 4:

Human Player: 2Lt. Spear
Callsign: Spear
Pilot status - OK
Aircraft status - OK
AA Kills 0
AG Kills 0
AS Kills 0
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 0
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B
Starting Load 4
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 2: AGM-65D
Starting Load 4
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 3: AGM-65G
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 4: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 5: Mk-82
Starting Load 3
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0




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Fiero



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Posted - 22 Feb 2010 :  16:40:42  Show Profile  Send Fiero an ICQ Message Send Fiero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dmans1
Respect the flight lead calls.I don't want to offend Fiero with this one but i think it was a mistake not to disengage, even being at 10 nm against Mig21's and furballing with them. I gave that order since Cowboy flight already had slammers inbound on the Migs.Dogfighting with them, with slammers on the way is a big no no situation.


2xMig21 on my nose, running cold.
They turning hot and now they are 10nm from me.
So what that someone just fired missile on them.
What will hapen if missile did not hit target, what will hapen if he fires from 20nm ?
at the time missile hit the target you will be dead.
10nm miles, two ship of MIGs21 (hot on you)
it's to late to disengage and run away
you have to attack.



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Dmans1



Greece
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 :  09:55:14  Show Profile Send Dmans1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fiero

quote:
Originally posted by Dmans1
Respect the flight lead calls.I don't want to offend Fiero with this one but i think it was a mistake not to disengage, even being at 10 nm against Mig21's and furballing with them. I gave that order since Cowboy flight already had slammers inbound on the Migs.Dogfighting with them, with slammers on the way is a big no no situation.


2xMig21 on my nose, running cold.
They turning hot and now they are 10nm from me.
So what that someone just fired missile on them.
What will hapen if missile did not hit target, what will hapen if he fires from 20nm ?
at the time missile hit the target you will be dead.
10nm miles, two ship of MIGs21 (hot on you)
it's to late to disengage and run away
you have to attack.



Well, that's what i would have done. 10 nm against IR capable only Mig21's is a very safe distance. Since i didn't know whether Cowboy had STT on the Migs so it would have been relatively safe to stay close, i would have always preferred to be as far as possible from them when the slammers got autonomous.Anyway, this is just my opinion.



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Sabre



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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 :  20:42:35  Show Profile  Visit Sabre's Homepage  Send Sabre an ICQ Message Send Sabre a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Green Flight:
Sabre, Mango, Tomb
Theron, Snakebite, Stevie.

First engagement: Mig29A escorting Su25, engaged by Sabre's flight. Strike stood back and destroyed last Mig 29 whilst Sabre group reformed.

Second engagement: 2 Mig29A destroyed.

Sead went to ground mode to engage SAMS, strike stood back waiting outcome.

2 Mig21 MF popped up very close, engaged and destroyed by Theron flight.

Now on TARCAP whilst Mango destroys bridge and Theron flight engages the tanks.

Sead low on fuel Tomb has been influenced by Turnburn, needs to go home, followed by Mango. Encounter 2 x Mig21 on way back, Mango shoots one, the other runs and gets whacked by Theron later.

Land on alternate whilst Theron flight RTB, all humans land safely, lost one AI.

Mango has a stunning mission, not sure whether to recommend him for a medal or test him for substances.

Great work by Theron's flight 4 air to air and 13 air to ground.

Mission success.
Tape available.



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RECORD BEGIN TIMESTAMP 2/21/2010 22:15:04.
Game is Tactical Engagement type Networked

Mission name: Operation Caterpillar

Mission Type: SEAD Escort
Flight Callsign: Falcon1
4 Ship Flight
Ac type: F-16C-50
Country: Slovenian

FLIGHT EVENTS
Event Sabre_185th joined as Falcon11 at 16:36:25
Event 185mango joined as Falcon12 at 16:36:26
Event Tomb joined as Falcon13 at 16:36:29
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:38:41
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:38:43
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:38:56
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:38:58
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:39:12
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:39:13
Event Tomb violated ATC protocol at 16:39:22
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:39:27
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:39:29
Event Tomb violated ATC protocol at 16:39:37
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:39:42
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:39:44
Event Tomb violated ATC protocol at 16:39:53
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:39:58
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:40:00
Event Tomb violated ATC protocol at 16:40:08
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:40:13
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:40:16
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 16:40:21
Event Tomb violated ATC protocol at 16:40:23
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 16:40:24
Event Tomb violated ATC protocol at 16:40:27
Event R-27R launched at 185mango 16:50:53
Event R-27R launched at Sabre_185th 16:51:26
Event Yugoslavian MiG-29A downed by Tomb at 16:51:52
Event Yugoslavian Su-25 downed by 185mango at 16:52:04
Event Yugoslavian MiG-29A downed by 185mango at 17:00:41
Event Yugoslavian MiG-29A downed by Tomb at 17:03:24
Event SA2 launched at Sabre_185th 17:06:12
Event SA2 launched at Sabre_185th 17:06:16
Event Yugoslavian Fan Song B destroyed by Tomb at 17:06:59
Event SA5 launched at Sabre_185th 17:07:57
Event Yugoslavian Barlock-B destroyed by 185mango at 17:09:51
Event SA7 launched at Tomb 17:10:33
Event Yugoslavian Bridge destroyed by 185mango at 17:14:34
Event Yugoslavian StraightFlush destroyed by 185mango at 17:16:32
Event Falcon14 ejected at 17:16:44
Event SA7 launched at Sabre_185th 17:19:23
Event Tomb landed at 17:21:23
Event Tomb landed at 17:21:27
Event Tomb violated ATC protocol at 17:21:27
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by 185mango at 17:23:39
Event Yugoslavian MiG-21F downed by 185mango at 17:24:02
Event Sabre_185th landed at 17:31:55
Event Sabre_185th violated ATC protocol at 17:31:55
Event 185mango violated ATC protocol at 17:36:17
Event 185mango landed at 17:37:05
Event 185mango landed at 17:37:06
Event Tomb exited from Falcon13 at 17:37:36
Event 185mango exited from Falcon12 at 17:58:11
Event Sabre_185th exited from Falcon11 at 18:04:41

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PILOT SLOT 1:

Human Player: 2Lt. Sabre
Callsign: Sabre_185th
Pilot status - OK
Aircraft status - OK
AA Kills 0
AG Kills 0
AS Kills 0
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 5
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B
Starting Load 2
Fired 1
Missed 1
Hit 0
Event AIM-120B released at 16:51:07 miss

LOADOUT 2: AIM-120C-4
Starting Load 2
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 3: AGM-88C
Starting Load 2
Fired 1
Missed 1
Hit 0
Event AGM-88C released at 17:05:09 miss

LOADOUT 4: AGM-65G
Starting Load 2
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 5: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

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PILOT SLOT 2:

Human Player: 2Lt. mango
Callsign: 185mango
Pilot status - OK
Aircraft status - OK
AA Kills 4
AG Kills 2
AS Kills 1
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 1
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B
Starting Load 2
Fired 2
Missed 0
Hit 2
Event AIM-120B released at 17:22:42 hit MiG-21F - destroyed
Event AIM-120B released at 17:23:22 hit MiG-21F - destroyed

LOADOUT 2: AIM-120C-4
Starting Load 2
Fired 2
Missed 0
Hit 2
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 16:50:44 hit Su-25 - destroyed
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 16:59:44 hit MiG-29A - destroyed

LOADOUT 3: AGM-88C
Starting Load 2
Fired 2
Missed 0
Hit 2
Event AGM-88C released at 17:06:43 hit Barlock-B - destroyed
Event AGM-88C released at 17:15:42 hit StraightFlush - destroyed

LOADOUT 4: AGM-65G
Starting Load 2
Fired 1
Missed 0
Hit 1
Event AGM-65G released at 17:14:06 hit Bridge - destroyed

LOADOUT 5: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

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PILOT SLOT 3:

Human Player: 2Lt. Tomb
Callsign: Tomb
Pilot status - OK
Aircraft status - DAMAGED
AA Kills 2
AG Kills 1
AS Kills 0
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 1
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B
Starting Load 2
Fired 2
Missed 1
Hit 1
Event AIM-120B released at 16:50:47 hit MiG-29A - destroyed
Event AIM-120B released at 17:01:04 miss

LOADOUT 2: AIM-120C-4
Starting Load 2
Fired 1
Missed 0
Hit 1
Event AIM-120C-4 released at 17:02:13 hit MiG-29A - destroyed

LOADOUT 3: AGM-88C
Starting Load 2
Fired 1
Missed 0
Hit 1
Event AGM-88C released at 17:06:09 hit Fan Song B - destroyed

LOADOUT 4: BSU-50
Starting Load 2
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 5: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

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PILOT SLOT 4:

AI Player: Lt. Schuette
Callsign: Falcon14
Pilot status - MIA
Aircraft status - DESTROYED
AA Kills 0
AG Kills 0
AS Kills 0
AN Kills 0
Shoot At 0
Other Player Kills 0

WEAPON DATA

LOADOUT 0: 20mm M61
Starting Load 510
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 1: AIM-120B
Starting Load 2
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 2: AIM-120C-4
Starting Load 2
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 3: AGM-88C
Starting Load 2
Fired 1
Missed 1
Hit 0
Event AGM-88C released at 17:15:42 miss

LOADOUT 4: AGM-65G
Starting Load 2
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0

LOADOUT 5: ALQ-131
Starting Load 1
Fired 0
Missed 0
Hit 0



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